I'm starting to have a new appreciation for the challenges that vice cops have, staying 'clean' while they fight evil, and not being overcome by the temptations of the Dark Side.
I noticed this phenomenon in myself a few months back, a backslide toward doing wrong in the battle to do right. I'll explain how it happened in an effort to illustrate how easily it is to be tempted into doing evil instead of speaking truth to power (interestingly, it also coincided with a low point for myself spiritually).
You see, it is quite easy to acquire a knackered view on life and relationships between the sexes if you frequent feminist sites and their opposition, MRA sites. There's a lot of resentment and anger out there, and it's easy to become caught up in it. In fact, I'd say that for FRAs, MRAs, or anyone else interested in recovering from the inverted flat spin our society finds itself in, perusing men's sites may actually be more dangerous in that one's guard against the machinations of evil may not be as high. We all know that feminists hate non-feminist women and non-self-loathing men. Moreover, we know that they wish to inflict evil upon men as punishment for whatever imagined crimes. This hatred in turn generates frustration, anger, and some hatred too in men, and that sometimes spills out into what we do, how we act, and what we say, despite our mission to right the evils of feminism. Thus if all one reads about, all one takes into their mind, all one takes into his heart is how feminists screw men (and most women) over and are speedily laboring to turn back the clock on civilization to a more primitive form, it tends to jaundice your outlook a bit.
From there, it's not a big step from that jaundiced outlook--particularly in someone congenitally glass-is-half-empty such as myself--to thinking evil thoughts and eventually doing evil itself. It's not hard to get the logical train of thought going--it's easy to conclude that since feminists do evil to men and other women, and that since most women are feminists to some degree or another, and that those feminist women would do evil upon a man in a heartbeat, and since it is bordering on masochistic to treat feminist women the same way as one would treat non-feminist women (as the former intentionally does evil, the latter may not), therefore a man may be justified in treating a female feminist--a creature by definition lower on the equalitarian hierarchy of humanity--poorly, rudely, even exploitatively. Heck, one may fantasize about killing feminists for their grave misdeeds if one lets the ill will go far enough.
This phenomenon, probably best exemplified by this post over at MarkyMark's place, may be what Coffee Catholic was getting at. And I myself at one time had rationalized the poor treatment of self-abasing women at the hands of non-believing men, just as I had rationalized a bifurcated standard of sexual conduct between Believing men and unbelieving men. And even though I explained how I got there in the paragraphs above, I was wrong to do this.
The problem is that treating people poorly and/or or exploiting them for sex (players of either sex) or money (dating/divorcing women) is just wrong. For Believers, God told us to agape-love each other, kindof a cosmic Hippocratic Oath: first, do no harm. For unbelievers, the same also applies, although perhaps in a more self-interested fashion...e.g., the Golden Rule or karma or whatever. Never mind what Sally the Slut does, her behavior doesn't give us license for licentiousness. Our awareness, and our mutual fight against evil, calls us to a higher standard of behavior, and if that means that we don't marry and/or have children because the good gals (or guys) are already taken and what remains are the dregs, well then that's just the way it goes. We can lay the fault for that sorry state of affairs at the foot of feminists and their mangina femnablers when we apply corrective political measures.
The bottom line is that, if one does evil to someone, say a feminist who fully deserves it because she herself does evil too, one is still doing evil. If this is you, stop it. Culturally, we all swim in the same ocean and breathe the same air, and just because some skank or player fouls the water with their depraved morality, doesn't mean that it's right for one of us to dirty up the ecology even more by dumping our own bucket of immoral shite into it.
Sunday, March 1, 2009
Slouching Toward the Dark Side
Bugled by Elusive Wapiti at 10:20 AM
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I agree EW
One of the reasons I don't frequent the MRA sites, despite agreeing with them, is that I want to maintain that balance. Just because the pendulum has swung all the way to the left doesn't mean that going all the way to the right will correct things. It will just as out of whack as it is today and a different set of evils is still just evil.
Erik, after the divorce, I was in a dark place. I had a lot of resentment. I was convinced that good women were as rare as hen's teeth and that the world was filled with feminist chicks that lust after bad men--even while bitching about them--and who would cashier good a man as quickly as she'd buy Jimmy Choo shoes.
While that assessment is still fundamentally true, I'm a bit more sanguine about how I act and what I say wrt that knowledge.
With this post, I wanted to speak against doing evil out of that knowledge, or worse, doing evil in the name of doing good.
Give in to the dark side…….ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Strange, how a woman can wag her finger and grown men can act like, little, naughty boys. An admonishment that we shouldn’t act like the bid bad feminists has us looking deeply into our very souls and shamefully returning to ways that are not in our best interest. Indeed, not in anyone’s interest. Few women wag the finger at, the big bad, feminists.
I no longer listen to female opinion precisely because it is not in our best interest to do so. Not even those who purport to support us. I say this as we will never have their full support. It will always be qualified support. Qualified up to the time that they perceive that our actions may have an impact on them or their children.
Coffee Catholic reveals her worries right at the very end of her blog post.
“But in the process don't make the future a horrible place for our daughters as the Feminists have done for our sons.”
Let me explain, I do not blame her for this as this is what women are hard wired for. I do not disagree with any part of her blog post. She is perfectly correct in all that she says. From what I have read she is a very decent human being and I give credit to her for her support. No, my gripe is not with Coffee Catholic or with the woman who wagged her finger on Marks blog when he displayed the advert of the blown up, nagging, wife. My gripe is with the weakness of men.
Why is it necessary for women to wag their fingers? When we have dark thoughts all that need to be done is that you open your front door, breath fresh air, go out and speak to real men and women. When blog posts are made all that is required is that we look at it and ask what a reasonable man or woman would think if they read it. Can it be justified? If so, justify it. Cyberspace is not the real world. Out side your front door is.
I’m afraid we, men and women, have fallen into the trap of the Social Engineers and I think they are having a good laugh.
While we, men and women, are busy hating each other, the Social Engineers are making rapid progress as the feminnazis, under the auspices of the UN, are intent on spreading their poison throughout the Third World.
http://www.girleffect.org/#/splash/
Dark thoughts………
pjanus, thanks for swinging by again. Always a pleasure.
Yeah, if "divide and conquer" is indeed the tactic, then I'd say it is having a bit of success. We're so busy fighting over the shards left behind by the Left's detonation of the family that we don't perceive the change in the weather of government, which above all seeks power over the individual. "Liberating" women from restraints on their sexuality and from their duties to their families is the government's express elevator to achieving that power over us all.
While writing that white paper on Sex Inequality in India, I had the chance to read about many of the programs overseas in places like India, Bangladesh, and Africa. And much of the research seems compelling, you know, the stuff that says that "a woman reinvests 90% of her income into the family, whereas a man reinvests 40%", and that "educated mothers have fewer children later and are healthier overall".
What they miss is the wider picture, when they're not trying to paint a fictitious scene in the first place. Like how a woman's piece work may be used to buy food directly, whereas the man's income is used for housing, clothing, etc for the entire family (he isn't out there squandering it, that's for sure). Or how such samples are selectively chosen from the poorest areas of a country and then compared apples-to-oranges to areas that enjoy a higher standard of living (and therefore can afford the luxury of feminism). Or how, while women in these areas already outlive their men, women's life expectancy continues to increase while that of men levels off or reverses. Or how the health of boys decreases with a mother's education. Or how these "gains" are made through shredding the family, pushing abortion, encouraging rampant divorce, and by growing the size and the scope of government that picks the winners (women and girls) and casts aside the losers (men and boys).
Oh, almost forgot, it is a mystery to me how men can buy into the line that feminism benefits them by offering easy access to sex.
That's BS.
Men have always had that access to sex, it's just a matter of how much they paid for it. Feminism didn't change that (okay, it did make obtaining sexual favors cheaper). What feminism did change was the woman's ability to chase after men who were "above" her and to deny the average man a shot at average women.
Thus feminism further enabled rich powerful men easier access to a wider harem of women while restricting more beta males--perfectly fine men who's only crime is to not drive a Beemer--from access to females.
I am under no illusion that feminism is in anyway a benevolent political philosophy wrt men. I do not think it hyperbole when I claim that feminism is waging a war of genocide against men. Those men it can't co-opt, it enslaves. Those that have little economic value as slaves it incarcerates. And those men who won't be incarcerated, it kills.
Patriarchy offered a place for men and women and looked after the health and welfare of each. Not so with matriarchy, which only cares about the feminine.
An interesting post, EW. I only began to peek at a few MRA blogs after several MRAs commented on my blog when I was discussing why I am against feminism and misandry. While I have had my eyes open to many issues I had no idea about and have appreciated learning a male perspective, there is much that has also left me disturbed.
I grew up very sheltered, not just due to my parents strict standards, the fact that we didn't "do" tv & movies, and so on, but also because we never had a divorce, infidelity, or any of the terrible issues that run rampant in society today, in our large extended family. Sure, some friends parents were divorced when I was quite young, but it wasn't until I entered college at sixteen that my eyes really began to open about how twisted our country is today, especially towards men.
The first time I saw "funny" violence against a man in a movie I did not understand why I was the only one who wasn't laughing. The "minor" kick in the crotch really wasn't necessary nor was it funny. My naive self actually asked my friends why they were laughing and they just looked at me as if I'd just flown in from Mars. Shortly after this incident, I came across my first information about the false rape accusation statistics and from there the door was opened to learning about the anti-male divorce laws, the sexual harassment insanity, and the many more crimes legally allowed against men. I sincerely had no idea the laws of this land were as atrocious as they were and to learn this lesson was incredible.
Society is messed up beyond repair it seems and honestly even for a Pollyanna type like myself, the future does seem hopeless. I'm too young to have lived in a time when feminism wasn't running amok or when the Constitution still stood. I try to ask my fellow woman questions about why this is funny, why they support this anti-male law, and so on but this likely isn't going to change anything. I speak out against feminism when I can, both offline and on, and strive to boycott companies that attempt to sell their items with either sex or misandry. My husband & I are raising our daughter sans television and mass media, plan to homeschool, and raise her in the fear of the Lord, but again, likely not much to solve any of society's serious issues. Is there anything (other than God Himself of course) that can stop the big nasty monster that is feminism?
"While I have had my eyes open to many issues I had no idea about and have appreciated learning a male perspective, there is much that has also left me disturbed."
My prayer is that you don't let the anger at the various MRA sites you visited put you off too much. My hypothesis is that so many men are so ticked off because the situation seems so hopeless. Anger is good up to a point; I hope that those fellows will use it constructively as a prime mover for action.
"My husband & I are raising our daughter sans television and mass media..."
At this point, I think what you are presently doing is one of the most powerful things to do in opposition to feminism at this time. You do what you can do to affect the environment around you. I am doing the same with my youngest (my ex wife has control over my other two; they are in God's hands at this point).
I'm still thinking of ways to execute a counter-revolution to oppose feminism and a respect for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and to restore the family unit upon which those liberties rest.
Well put. You've said what I dig myself into holes trying to get across.
I've gotten a similar feeling myself just recently, that although what's said on MRA blogs may be 100% right in a strict factual sense (well, not really, but a lot of it is right), the attitude and presentation that comes along with it tends to make one more jaded over time. And if/when that influences how we deal with real people in real situations in our lives, we're in big trouble.
I tend to be a rather bitter, angry person by disposition if I don't guard against it, so it's always good to see reminders that the real world doesn't have to be quite as terrible as I often think of it as.
I think Coffee Catholic is being emotional. It's understandable that she has strong feelings, but I think that when some time passes she'll see things a little differently.
In particular I think she'll spot an inconsistency in her past posts about hazing versus her recent posts about sexual harassment and rape in the military.
However .... CC is CC and we'll let her cool down slowly.
As for you, EW, I think you have an overdeveloped sense of guilt. Relax. Always be willing to forgive yourself.
Yes, "bless those who persecute you," but also give yourself some time with those who don't, and give yourself some solitude. Solitude helps meditation. Ideally alone-time should be spent in a wilderness, conversing with spirits, but take what you can get!
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I'm still thinking of ways to execute a counter-revolution to oppose feminism and a respect for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and to restore the family unit upon which those liberties rest."
There's nothing wrong with thinking big, but remember the weight of the world isn't on your shoulders alone.
You're living in the most complicated, most advanced, most decadent society on earth - namely the USA. The USA is not ripe for revolution, and due to your personal circumstances you're not likely to leave.
The good news is that much of the world is already ahead of the USA in terms of pushing back feminism. However, these parts of the world don't speak much English and they are nearly invisible on the web to English-speakers. Further, even the countries that are recovering from feminism are still suffering from moral malaise, anomie, ennui, and other words that have French roots.
Japan, for example, knows that it has a problem with sexual liberalization destroying its birthrate. (Likewise Singapore, Taiwan, etc.) This does not mean these countries are free of social problems, or that their methods will work in the USA.
However, when I walk through the neighborhood, I have to nod and smile at the people who recognize me -- it *is* a functioning neighborhood. The people are neighbors, not strangers. When I see young parents with their little kids, I am reminded that the tradition of raising families is still functioning in Taiwan, at least.
I look at the East Asian tradition of extreme reverence to parents and I have a sense that the human race will survive. The white subspecies might well be doomed, but I get the sense that humanity will not perish.
People like Glenn Sacks and Ron Paul have audiences already. The social counter-currents have been gathering force for years. There is not just one revolution that's needed, but rather several small paradigm shifts.
There is a divorce-law paradigm shift. There is a fertility paradigm shift. There is a financial honesty paradigm shift - that one can be left to Ron Paul!
Don't take responsibility for all of these. In your case, the paradigm shift for divorce reform might be the most important. Let other folks sweat about the rest.
I'm still thinking of ways to execute a counter-revolution to oppose feminism and a respect for life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and to restore the family unit upon which those liberties rest.
While I would not want to place burdens upon you, ooh! I hope you'll share what, if anything, you come up with. I have hope that things can change. When I read some of these sites sometimes I think I may be too naive and optomistic about that. But, I am definately a "glass half full" kind of person (which, trust me, has it's own dangers) and I just believe that God can change hearts. Or maybe it's that I've been watching the LOTR trilogy on TV today while doing other things around the house, and I am feeling unrealistically hopeful because of that!
"Just because the pendulum has swung all the way to the left doesn't mean that going all the way to the right will correct things. It will just as out of whack as it is today and a different set of evils is still just evil."
If we investigate feminist arguments for historical oppression, they are mostly bogus. Oppression and discrimination are not interchangeable. Jews faced far greater levels of discrimination than women ever did. Both got their civil rights at around the same point in history. Yet, Jewish MEN are disproportionately represented compared to other ethnic groups among the elite in most profesional categories. Women did not make a similar transition, relative to men, when they got their own civil rights around the same time. Charles Murray mentions this inconvenient fact in his book "Human Accomplishment"
The result? Jewish men can legitimately claim they were being suppressed by the absence of civil rights. Women cannot.
The notion of a swinging pendulum is a false premise.
Davout,
"...feminist arguments for historical oppression [are] mostly bogus"
Agree completely. There used to be a commenter here, Mrs Pilgrim, who was a lawyer and she did a fine job of destroying the feminist claim of historical oppression in a way that only a female attorney can. It was a thing to see.
Re: Jews, I contend that a portion of their historical oppression and discrimination was due to their own practices wrt money and banking. In modern days, we have a name for the banking system practiced in Muslim countries: Islamic Banking. In the interest of historical accuracy, should do the same for the banking system practiced in the West: Jewish Banking. Jews got a lot of grief in Europe as a result of their charging of interest to the Gentiles, and I think some of that grief was deserved given the suffering that was wrought on those whom interest lending was foisted.
This isn't to take away from Gentile envy toward a conspicuously more intelligent minority in their midst. Put those two phenomena together, and I think you have a recipe for nastiness.
Interesting point about achievement post civil rights is an indicator of oppression. Left to their own devices, Jews tend to bubble disproportionately to the top of the professions in which they compete. This is because of the superior Ashkenazic IQ contra non-Ashkenazic Caucasians, Mongoloids, or Negroids. Women's achievements have barely budged post suffrage, and even then that's arguably attributable to government favoritism. While their mean IQ is comparable to that of men, women aren't as represented as men are at the extreme ends of the IQ distribution where the real earth-shaking (and subterranean) talent lays.
"Patriarchy offered a place for men and women and looked after the health and welfare of each. Not so with matriarchy, which only cares about the feminine."
So true!!
Wow, you're such a big man to admit your fault... or did you really admit to any fault?
*smirk*
“But in the process don't make the future a horrible place for our daughters as the Feminists have done for our sons.”
Interesting admission. Maybe one of the best ways to insure a brighter future for your daughters is to give a bit of thought to the present of those sons.
"Maybe one of the best ways to insure a brighter future for your daughters is to give a bit of thought to the present of those sons."
Sagacitous advice, methinks.
"...did you really admit to any fault?"
Ummm, yeah. Which is why I counsel others to avoid doing what I did.
I find it interesting the flack from other MRAs here and at MMs site for not always taking the hard line. I notice the same attitude with the feminists, where the hard core ones belittle the "soft-core" feminists or those who are only half-hearted at it.
The difference, I think, is that men like yourself EW, and MM, aren't going to be cowed by peer pressure into taking a stance that you don't believe in.
thanks for taking a stand on what is RIGHT, and not on trying to make women pay for their crimes.
I find it interesting the flack from other MRAs here and at MMs site for not always taking the hard line. I notice the same attitude with the feminists, where the hard core ones belittle the "soft-core" feminists or those who are only half-hearted at it.
This is one of the issues that has left me most disturbed as I have read MRA blogs. Many of the comments that were on MMs blog about the video made me think of the utter stupidity that unfolded among some of my "friends" when I announced I was getting married. "But girls from the north don't get married at eighteen/you need to experience the world/but I didn't do that/blah blah blah"
With feminism clearly being about 'freedom to choose' to do it NOW's way or else, it's a shame to see MGTOW turning into "my way or the highway" on some occasions.
"...not on trying to make women pay for their crimes"
Thanks for the encouragement, Erik. I think there's little point in making errant women pay for their crimes, even if I could exact that punishment. For one, indulging in revenge is a hazardous activity for any of us spiritually, and two, there are enough men doing evil in this world; consistency would demand that I hammer them as well.
That's a lot of hammering. And I'd rather focus on making things better.
Erik said: "thanks for taking a stand on what is RIGHT, and not on trying to make women pay for their crimes."
Erik,
What then is your solution? Let those women get away scotfree and commit more crimes? How is your stance different from appeasement?
Comparing egalitarian MRAs to feminists is ok cos both believe in equality but you cannot compare anti-feminists to feminists because it's not a 1:1 comparison: feminists seek to institutionalize their utopian religion and impose it on others; anti-feminists seek removal of this utopian religion from the state.
Mrs. Amy,
Your analogy of MGTOW to feminism is not correct because, as you concede, feminism takes its marching orders from NOW which is a gigantic machine getting all sorts of funding while MGTOW has zero power.
There is currently no evidence that MGTOW poses a credible threat to women at large, nor should it ever pose one if its members are the isolationists they purport to be. By contrast, feminism is a very real danger to men and non-feminist women.
Davout- I take no issue with MGTOW and wasn't seeking to make the argument that MGTOW is a movement that is a danger to society with marching orders from somewhere, as is feminism. Rather I was trying to say seeing a similar "I believe in freedom but you are doing it wrong" idea among individuals, not the movement as a whole, is very bizarre and reminds me a bit of the absurd logic that is feminism & leftist style thinking. This is not to say these two "movements" are the *same* sort of ideology or that MGTOW is harmful, just that claiming to support "freedom" and then taking issue with someone who exercises said freedom is a strange way for an *individual* to think.
Eric,
EW has, to my mind, never succumbed to peer pressure. He is neither hard core nor soft core. He researches his subjects and posts what he finds.
I’m just looking through the replies. Nope, can’t see anything resembling, what I would call, flack.
There is a strange phenomenon, known only to women… that when a man criticises a woman, the whole of womankind is insulted, when it is clearly not the case.
No, not all western women are skanks or feminnazis. Far from it there are many, many beautiful women (I’m not speaking of physical attributes here). They are to be found everywhere. We should not promote hate it should be able to pass the reasonable test. However, just as we should not give in to peer pressure from other MRA’s we should not give in to the finger wagger. The finger wagger is the woman sitting next to you, who whenever you strike a match will surely blow it out. That is the path to failure.
I have previously stated what, in my opinion, we should do when we are in danger of our dark thoughts. As for punishment, and I speak here of hard core feminists, then yes, they should be called to account for the damage they have caused is incalculable. Their crimes must be exposed to all so that we never again go down this destructive path.
Mrs Amy
Is there an alternative to MGTOW for a young man starting out in todays climate, bearing in mind the penalties he is likely to suffer through no fault of his own?
Pjanus- As I said to Davout, I take no issue with MGTOW and am not arguing against the ideal in any way. If anything, I personally am supportive of the movement and have said as much on several blogs penned by fellow religious women who are disgusted by MGTOW. I think its best that everyone, regardless of sex, has the morality and strength necessary to stand against the evil that is feminism and whatever else society might brew up next.
The issue I am doing an awful job at expressing is that I find it disturbing how a man making his own choices may be lambasted by his fellow men for making his OWN choice. Disagreement and dialogue aren't troubling, but to see men having shaming language and insults aimed at them, by MEN, for their choices does leave me shaking my head. This is destructive, emotional driven behavior that is usually the territory of us more catty women, not men, whom I personally have always admire as an entire gender, for the ability to see through the muck of emotions and solve an issue at hand with the proper logic and intellect, in a way most women cannot.
"Interesting admission. Maybe one of the best ways to insure a brighter future for your daughters is to give a bit of thought to the present of those sons."
Why do you think I'm here? Also, it's not enough for *me* to give a bit of thought, but for everyone else as well. Women hating men and men hating women will get us nowhere.
"What then is your solution? Let those women get away scotfree and commit more crimes? How is your stance different from appeasement?"
Two wrongs don't make a right. Men hating women is not going to do our world any good. What do you suggest, Devout? That men go out and shoot all of the women for their crimes? Or that it would be more productive if men should fight back via the courts to have the Feminist laws overturned? Is it appeasement to not punish *every* women for the sins of the Feminists? The Feminists punished *every* man for the mythical sins of their equally mythical Patriarchy and they were wrong to do so. What good will it do for men to react via backlash and turn against women?
I love sitting here at home every day doing my best by my man and giving him children only to think of how much I'm hated because I'm a woman ~ and how much my daughter will be hated when she becomes a woman. Maybe I did the wrong thing. Maybe I should have become a nun like I had planned. What's the use of bringing children into this world? Yeah, call me emotional. I don't care. I am emotional. 1) I'm a woman and I refuse to act like a man. 2) Are my feelings surprising in light of what's going on with our society? The same society my daughter will enter in the near future? She'll have the Feminists on one side and the women-hating men on the other. Nice. Why did I bother procreating?
MGTOW has the potental for becoming as dangerous as Feminism if too many men become filled with hatered for women. Feminists hate men and have acted accordingly. If the MGTOW becomes a similar hate movement then, like it or not, we're all in big trouble. Men might get the upper hand for a while but the results will be a further shredding to bits of our society.
I find it disturbing how a man making his own choices may be lambasted by his fellow men for making his OWN choice. Disagreement and dialogue aren't troubling, but to see men having shaming language and insults aimed at them, by MEN, for their choices does leave me shaking my head. This is destructive, emotional driven behavior that is usually the territory of us more catty women, not men, whom I personally have always admire as an entire gender, for the ability to see through the muck of emotions and solve an issue at hand with the proper logic and intellect, in a way most women cannot.
Go back to the story of Genesis, Mrs. Amy, and think about the metaphorical meaning of "having eaten of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil." Most people take this far too literally - as a real fruit, most often an apple. But I see it as metaphor for women's frequent use of the word "should." Based on their feelings, it seems very common for women to know exactly how the world "should" be, but isn't.
And, remember that when Eve feeds this fruit to Adam, he takes it from her hand and eats it. Again, as metaphor I see this as taking women's moral judgements at face value and believing that women are morally superior to men.
Several years ago Rich Zubaty wrote a book called "Surviving the Feminization of America." What you are referring to is exactly what he is talking about - men are becoming feminized and convinced to adopt women's way of dealing with things, even down to the cattiness and emotionality.
For the past 5 decades the culture has been at war against the masculine. The virtues you mention here have been sneered at, denigrated, often criminalized, and no effort has been spared in stamping them out. "Adam" has been constantly exhorted that he is inherently evil, and that his only salvation is to become more like "Eve."
Buzz phrases like "Toxic masculinity" and "Testosterone poisoning" have been used to tear down any respect for the masculine, and replace it with the constant refrain "Women would have done it better." (Within the past couple of weeks I saw exactly that sort of drivel regarding the current financial crisis - it was all due to that nasty "testosterone.")
So, yes, surviving the adoption of feminized values by men will be quite the challenge.
Someone who bitches out another man for not doing things his way is not a MGTOW - literally a Man Going His Own Way. He is a MBHOMIGHW - A Male Bitch Harassing Other Men Into Going His Way. Men who truly are Going Their Own Way are ethical sociopaths who shrug off the input of women and other men alike and "march to the beat of their own drum."
One of the best essayists on the issues - from a mythological perspective - is a fellow who goes by the handle of Remarksman. He has a website here - http://www.geocities.com/remarksman/
He explores some classical themes like the Empowered Witch and the Toxic King and shows them playing out in today's world. All of it is excellent reading, but I particularly recommend the essays -
The Witch-King and the American Dreaming Mind
Off With Their Heads!!
The "Man Shortage"
and Wotan's Coming
Mrs Amy,
I don't disagree with what you say.
However, Zed points out the feminisation of men.... soon all the the unfeminised men will be gone and then what's us 'gals' to do?
Zed- My father taught my sister & I a similar point about the real cause of the Fall in Genesis and this is the meaning I believe in myself. The literal apple version is more than a bit silly, but what more can be expected from Churchianity.
Thank you for the link you shared. I've read the first two essays you recommended and found them intriguing and will surely be digesting the words for some time to come. I recently finished reading two of Warren Farrell's books, as well as Andrew Kimbrell's The Masculine Mystique and also found these to be thought-provoking on the subject of masculinity.
My husband is in the military, as was my FIL (special forces for his entire career) and to hear them compare today's Army to the one my FIL served in is scary. Even in the ranks of the military feminization runs rampant, as hard as that was for me to accept initially. My husband was recently accused of being "too aggressive" after one of his male soldiers complained. My husband's crime? Telling this soldier to push harder when he claimed he couldn't get his pack into the luggage rack of the bus. Over in a combat zone, those simple words are what is passing for "too aggressive" these days. In my FIL's day, someone would have been punished for this exchange and it sure wouldn't have been my husband.
pjanus-However, Zed points out the feminisation of men.... soon all the the unfeminised men will be gone and then what's us 'gals' to do?
Get the best handbasket to be found and jump in for the descent into $%^&
coffee catholic,
My name is Davout, not Devout.
I did not say 'all women'. I said 'those women', meaning the women who are, in Erik's words, guilty of misandric crimes. I would definitely punish misandric male feminists if I had my way.
If there are some non-feminist elements who stupidly advocate wanton attacks on women, those elements are categorically wrong and deranged. It is wrong and insulting for you to accuse me of being among those elements simply because I want MISANDRIC FEMINISTS (both male and female ones) to be punished. C'mon, you are better than that.
Nowhere have I said that I want all women to run the gauntlet.
I did not say 'all women'. I said 'those women',
Davout,
Listen beneath the words for the shrill keening cry of the feminist. Listen to the messages, do not let yourself be hooked by them into reacting in exactly the way they are crafted to sucker you into reacting - i.e. to explain and "defend" yourself. Men have been falling for that ploy for years, our salvation lies in learning to spot it and no longer be suckered by it.
"It's ALL men's fault!!"
"You all just hate women!!"
"Everything will be wonderful if you all just change according to my specifications!!"
When you hear those messages, you are hearing a feminist - regardless of what she chooses to call herself.
Be aware, my friend, the serpent lurks among us.
You say hammer, I say harder ;)
I need to be more controversy minded... nothing seems THAT tricky to understand or fix, seriously.
Unless you are posting about banks, financial bailouts, etc... *bats eyelashes sweetly* It's really not my cup of tea :)
anonymous,
Coffee Catholic is not a feminist. She was just overreacting IMHO.
Mrs. Amy,
I understand your point.
"Men hating women is not going to do our world any good."
We men have been punished for so long without being guilty yet women don't want to receive punishment for their own mistake. Sorry, but escape won't be that easy for u all.
Once this tyrannical govt falls there will be chaos, there won't be any legal restriction in a collapsed society. Thats the time when women will be punished. Feminists or otherwise. And let me add it won't be women's favourite emotional violence. Thats the time when women will realize what they have actually done.
I think that phase, if it ever happens, is necessary to set an idealistic society. Let women reap the fruits of their misandric crimes before setting things right. Sorry Ms Coffee Catholic escape won't be that easy....
It is average beautiful women who are getting most of this situation.
They are targets of men's attention while enjoying rights feminism gave them.
They have freedom to choose whether to stay at home, work or divorce their husbands.
Ugly women do not have power. And they cannot do that much damage. That is why they are usually feminists.
Anon,
Yes, average comely women get the most out of this situation. But they must take advantage of it when they can. For they will eventually become average average women, who will lack that sexual power over men.
It is a mistake to assume that ugly women do not have power. They just don't have sexual power over men any longer. What they do have is mucho political power, which is what makes them still dangerous.
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