On the surface, the answer to this question is emphatically no. The divorce rate for those marrying in their teens and early 20s is astronomical. And the risk of marriage failure decreases with age until about 30, after which the divorce risk levels off and starts to climb again. Moreover, the trend is for people to marry later, not earlier, reflecting I think the trend of slowing rates of maturity in both men and women. Adolescence appears to be extended by formal schooling; since a greater and greater proportion of the population attends college after high school, a greater proportion of the population's development is retarded, if not completely arrested. At least until after they graduate.
However, I was intrigued by this post by Laura that bucks the prevailing wisdom. Rather than advise women to wait to marry until after their habits and sense of "independence" are set and become barriers to becoming interdependent with their husbands, she advises young women to marry right out of high school or while they are in college, to men in their mid- to late 20s:
It is common advice these days to not get married until you have "discovered yourself". It is recommended that after college one should spend a few years single and explore the world. Theories are that the better one knows themselves, the better one will be able to adapt to marriage. Sorry to say, but you aren't marrying yourself.
I feel this kind of advice is damaging to young people. It forces them to spend more time focusing on themselves.
I married relatively young at 26 and that I am not like many women in their 30s who have lived alone so long that they openly admit that they don't want to get married just because they would have to readjust the life they have grown so accustomed to. Even after living a few years on my own before marriage, I still find that I have bad habits that I need to be constantly conscious of. These habits only developed because I had years to "discover myself" and not care about anyone else.
I came across a good article on the subject called "Say Yes, What Are You Waiting For" by Mark Regnerus:
Most young women are mature enough to handle marriage. According to data from the government's National Survey of Family Growth, women who marry at 18 have a better shot at making a marriage work than men who marry at 21. There is wisdom in having an age gap between spouses. For women, age is (unfortunately) a debit, decreasing fertility. For men, age can be a credit, increasing their access to resources and improving their maturity, thus making them more attractive to women. We may all dislike this scenario, but we can't will it away.
As I happened to marry a man 10 years older, I agree that age for men is a credit. I never had any interest in guys my age who always seemed to lack the maturity and were unable to maintain a stable job. Also guys my age were too feminized to understand what it means to be a real husband.
This is an interesting thesis that Laura forwards, one that I hadn't thought of before. Previously, I had seized upon the divorce statistics, correlated them with my own negative experience (sample size == 1) of marrying a young woman, both of us straight out of college, and recommended to all comers that men should only marry in their late 20s to a woman who is herself in her late 20s. Of course, they only have a narrow window of time to have children*--if that is their desire--but if his goal as a man was to be married and stay married and stay out of the divorce mills then marrying later is the course of action with the highest probability for success.
Perhaps Laura is onto something here, an intuitive "rediscovery" of the wisdom of auld: that it is better for women to go straight from their parent's household to that of her husband's with as minimal a time spent in independent living as possible. In doing so, a woman hopefully fails to acquire the bad habits of the World, to include an excessive sense of independence which inhibits her ability to later develop interdependent behavior with her husband.
Yet while women should marry young, the pattern for men marrying later would still hold...a man should marry when he is older--late 20s, say--after he has had the time he needs to become established and to acquire the resources and skills and maturity required to be able to successfully lead his family. As both Regnerus (the author of the WaPo article) and Laura both opine, age is an asset for men, but is rarely so for a woman. Seems to me, then, that the best course of action would be to leverage this social fact, this innate difference between the sexes, and pair younger women with men several years their senior. It seems to me that doing this is wiser than fighting nature by attempting to pair partners of increasingly similar ages together (today less than 2 years apart in age) with the knowledge that their chances for success aren't appreciably better and may be worse than the young woman - older man (the "May - June") coupling. Regnerus again:
Marriage actually works best as a formative institution, not an institution you enter once you think you're fully formed. We learn marriage, just as we learn language, and to the teachable, some lessons just come easier earlier in life.
In other words, it is more difficult to teach an old dog new tricks.
I can hear some of the objections now, one of which is that a woman should go through college, get experience, date many men, have a career, and then, almost as an afterthought, get married. It is nigh upon scandalous to go through college with the goal of finding a husband. Yet we see the failure of this line of reasoning each and every day, as millions of women, after having gone through college and become established in careers and climb the corporate ladder, wake up in their mid 30s with no husband in sight and a profound sense of loneliness and regret, with her fertility falling off a cliff. Moreover, college is no guarantor of economic success; rather, it loads a woman up with debt for a sheepskin of questionable worth that, when combined with that of her husband, makes for a punishing set of initial economic conditions for any couple. Furthermore, "getting experience" via modern dating is a sure-fire way to acquire a bad attitude about men and relationships...if a woman is seeking short-term relationships or is out to "have a good time", well she's bound to meet men who are interested in those things too. In other words, she'll baseline her database of what hominus masculus is and does based off of the behaviors of players, thugs, and PUAs. I suspect that she's likely as not to find that those fellows have dating behaviors that don't leave a positive impression, and come to the incorrect conclusion that "all men are pigs" or some such baloney.
In closing, I think this is a very powerful observation that Laura had:
[When you are married, y]ou don't end up thinking about yourself all the time...when I am buying fun things, I think twice now about whether it is really necessary...before, I just bought whatever cause it was all about me.
Today's women and men are locked in a state of socially acceptable navel-gazing from the time they hit adolescence through their late 20s. But such behavior is harmful times two, in that not only do today's young men become semi-permanent constituents of "guy land", today's young women become residents of "chick land" as well. In both worlds, it's all about "me me me", and that pattern of behavior is difficult to break. Particularly women who naturally want to dominate their men but chafe when they are allowed to do so, and men who'd just as soon not be yoked like that.
* One of the downsides of feminism is that it fosters a norm of late family formation...which suppresses lifetime fertility, increases the risk of birth defects in children, and heightens the risk of disease in women.
Update: Maybe this post by Novaseeker provides yet another reason why women (and men too) should marry straightaway and forgo college...the college culture leads them into behavior patterns and norms harmful for downstream marriages.

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Wapiti, I think one of the main issues with the failure of marriage at a young age is that young people these days are no longer instilled with the value of propagating family. Marriage is just viewed as [one of several ways of] self-fulfilment. If two people enter matrimony with each thinking of his/herself, no wonder marriages fail!
There was once a time where it was not considered strange at all for a young maiden to be married off at the age of eighteen (and in Mexico, fifteen, hence the quincinera which was a celebration to broadcast a girl's marriagability). Nowadays people question the value of marriage (except when it comes to homosexuals who think it's their State-given right) and the whole "family" thing? Bah! You're just polluting Gaia with another resource-consuming human monster, and if you are white, are simply contributing to the racist establishment.
--Cephas
"...young people these days are no longer instilled with the value of propagating family"
Young women these days certainly see family and children as obstacles to their fulfillment. Unusual is the female that actually wants to have children, rarer still are the ones that can stomach the thoughts of having more than two.
And increasingly, I'm finding that men don't really care about having a family either. Perhaps the "rationally selfish" paradigm is taking root in young men, in that they don't see much reason for a family either. I suspect that this phenomenon happens because young men these days are increasingly growing up in single mom households. They are shown the example that men really aren't all that valuable to a family. Women, for their part, see family as a pain in the butt, since they see only women raising children and the frustrations that their mothers endured as a result.
Regarding the age of marriage, most folks don't realize that getting married at 15 or 16 wasn't that uncommon here in NorteAmerica. In fact, I think it is Vermont that established a minimum age of marriage at 13.
I'm beginning to think that a mid- to late teen female and a mid-20s guy may be the optimum mixture, that is if we can convince mid-teen girls that early marriage is better for them than late, and can convince mid 20s guys that they'll be safer in a marriage with that kind of age configuration than one that involved an older (>27) woman who is near to him in age.
When Rome fell, it was having a difficult time getting its bachelors to marry. We're seeing the same thing. I don't think it portends well.
I enjoyed Laura's post when I read it and found myself agreeing with much that she said. I dropped out of college to marry my husband when I was just eighteen and he was twenty. Being raised in a strict Baptist church, getting married fairly young, to begin sharing my life with my (then) future husband, was something I was open to and hoping for, so I had opted to work my way through school and bring as little debt into my marriage as possible. I also worked on learning the necessary skills to properly run a home, make wise financial decisions, and so forth.
I can honestly say that my husband and I have "grown up together" and become adults together and much more successfully than many of my high school classmates who are still single. We've lived through all the madness that is military life, the aftermath of combat, and deployments together. We welcomed our first child when I was a few weeks shy of my twenty first birthday and my husband was twenty three. We've begun investing for the future, both financially and in reality that we are building a family together. Most of the women I knew in high school are still out at clubs on the weekend and do not date anybody seriously. They aren't even people I can really relate to anymore, not that I'd really want it to be any other way. ;o) I love my husband dearly and are incredibly lucky to have him in my life.
Obviously my experiences does not make the research you have pointed out untrue, but I think young marriage can be a wonderful thing and is a wise decision, for many of the reasons Laura shared. If the couple is seriously invested in their union, does not believe in divorce, and is willing to humble themselves, roll up their sleeves, and do all the work that building a life together and having a family entails. And really, this isn't true just for us young'uns, either, but anybody who is pondering marriage.
There are pluses and minuses.
My ex-wife and I met when she was 22, married when she was 24 and separated when she was 31. In part that was because she was very different at 31 than she was at 24 (of course) and I was 5 years older when we married. So I changed less than she did, and when she was finished changing, we had much less in common in world view and life expectations than we did 7 years earlier. So there are downsides.
Upsides, even according to my ex, are that having kids in the mid 20s is great, because you have energy for them, you have them young when you are young and, from her perspective, it is even better from the career perspective because she says you aren't generally valued until you are 30 anyway, and you can catch up faster entering late 20s or around 30 than you can if you take a break around 40, which is increasingly common in the most highly educated demo.
So I guess I'm not sure where I come out -- I think either approach has upsides, downsides and tradeoffs.
My wife and I married when she was 18 and I was 19. The first couple years of our marriage were VERY hard. We often wondered what we got ourselves into.
Why did our marriage last? We CHOSE to love one another and we were determined to stick to the vows we took before God.
Divorce was not even an option. Cheating was not to be considered. We made a Covenant before the creator of the universe and we did not see that as something to be taken lightly.
We stuck it out. We grew up... together and our marriage is now stronger for it. I don't know if I would take an "official" position on the matter, but I can tell you for certain that I have no regrets for doing it the way that we did it.
Good post, Wapiti. I've been following you for a while, but this is my first time commenting. I'll keep coming back.
~Timm
I think a lot of things would need to change for marrying young to commonly be the benefit discussed here. In the current culture and climate of immaturity I think it may be a disaster versus in a culture where the expectation is young marriage and the maturity that comes with that. Also, remembering myself in my late teens, I doubt my ability to have made a good choice in a husband at that time. Parents would likelyb have to be more involved in the process.
You recaptured my thoughts nicely and added some great things I didn't consider.
In responding back to the comment you left on my post, I think that marrying young was the conventional wisdom 100 years ago or so. Anon commenter said it well. If you were 25-30 y/o woman back then and not married you were considered an old maid.
They knew well the purpose of marriage was to create a family; not necessarily to satisfy the self (as anon pointed out). Marriage is exactly seen as
self-fulfillment. Divorce is called for when one partner simply isn't happy.
Understandably divorce rates are high for those who marry young, but that is because they are raised in todays postmodern culture where there really are no
values, boundaries or guidelines. A sort of Neverland. There aren't any grownups either. Everything is relative and their are no absolutes. Young people don't want
to grow up and they see no real reason too. You can stay in grad school till 30's and live at home or on student loans. Why marry, that just means less material
things for me? They might think: If I marry, I won't be able to get that cool car like my friend has. If I marry, I won't get those 10 chicks/guys clinging to me and
worshiping me at the bar. I might actually have to think about someone else; this is a thought they can't handle. It is all about material status than it is about
starting a family. They see no value in a family but value in having "things". They are told, "Things will make you happy and last, where as a wife/husband will only leave you". It is the culture that the youth are raised in that keeps them young and unequipped for marriage, not the age itself.
100 years ago the youth could handle marriage, why can't they now? It has to be from the corrupt culture and the more and more focus on ME. I heard about a book
called "The Me Generation". I have been meaning to read it. I thought this tshirt captures my generation well:
http://site.despair.com/socialmediatee/
I had two further thoughts that I am going to supplement my post with.
1. I feel it was God's design to marry young. Naturally, due to the fertility issues and our good looks, good health, and energy, better equip you to get married
and have a family. Age is certainly a debit for woman. They will have their fancy careers and then want to get married at 40 and realize they aren't that great
looking anymore. Also sexual drives are at their height in the 20's. These drives weren't meant to be used to sleep around with people in the clubs. Instead, they
were meant to cement husband and wife.
2. For those women who insist on having a career and children--if you get married when you are 20 then you can have your children and start your career around 35-40. Still having the supposed "best of both worlds". But for some reason, women waste
all there fertile years on the career. The logic is backwards. Then employers can also be worry free that women won't need maternity leave, etc. And you can still devote a good 20 years to a career.
Sorry long comment. Here is part 2:
Back to your post:
"a man should marry when he is older--late 20s, say--after he has had the time he needs to become established and to acquire the resources and skills and maturity
required to be able to successfully lead his family."
Sadly, even with guys in their late 20's I found skills and maturity were still greatly lacking. Like you mentioned, I think this is because of the single mom households and that adolescent is considered up till age 30. My 27 y/o female
friend has a 27 y/o boyfriend. They both still live at home and he is not working. I have to wonder what kind of future she thinks she has with him. I think due to feminism men in their 20's have been raised to believe that women will either be the breadwinners or at a minimum, there will at least be two incomes. Therefore, they aren't as motivated to achieve a good stable job. In my dating life, many guys
did not like the idea that I wanted to be a stay at home mom. They just see it as not pulling my own weight. Also, without my income they can have all their "things". The feminized curriculum they get in public schools and
the reinforcement from their single moms furthers this.
"Moreover, college is no guarantor of economic success; rather, it loads a woman up with debt for a sheepskin of questionable worth that, when combined with that of
her husband, makes for a punishing set of initial economic conditions for any couple."
Yes! Many girls get all that debt then end up being a stay at home mom anyway. Plus, case in point: A friend of mine just graduated with her doctorate and $100,000 in debt, her fiance has also just graduated with a doctorate and $100,000 in debt. So, great way to star a marriage: $200,000 in the whole. Plus of course she is having one of those expensive weddings. My unpolitcally correct thought on this is: If she would at least just submit to God's design in her life and be a
wife and mother, they would at least be $100,000 richer! But no she was probably told by family/friends that she needs to make something of herself before she can think about pesky things like marriage and children.
I have heard her and other friends of my age say when asked about future plans: "I want kids, but I'm still young", "Marriage is in the plans, but I got plenty of
time". I am sorry but 27 isn't young. Feminism has told girls that they have all the time in the world. Feminism is becoming more of a worldview than I ever thought.
Part 3:
"Furthermore, "getting experience" via modern dating is a sure-fire way to acquire a bad attitude about men and relationships...if a woman is seeking short-term
relationships or it out to "have a good time", well she's bound to meet men who are interested in those things too. In other words, she'll baseline her database of
what hominus masculus is and does based off of the behaviors of players, thugs, and PUAs. I suspect that she's likely as not to find that those fellows have dating behaviors that don't leave a positive impression, and come to the incorrect conclusion that "all men are pigs" or some such baloney."
This is very true. I think that might be exactly why women get such a bad taste of men. If you marry young, the man/woman you marry is either the only one or one of few men/women in your life. The less men/women you have to compare to your current significant other the better. Women have a bad taste men, because well, they don't
know any men. All they know are boys because boys are not being raised to grow up.
Likewise, If all guys experience is the feminist sleeping around girls you find in the clubs/college; then that's what they think women are. Most likely, that's what there mothers were too! Us women who want to be proper wives/mothers get overlooked just as many of the real men do.
"I'm beginning to think that a mid- to late teen female and a mid-20s guy may be the optimum mixture, that is if we can convince mid-teen girls that early marriage is better for them than late, and can convince mid 20s guys that they'll be safer
in a marriage with that kind of age configuration than one that involved an older (>27) woman who is near to him in age."
The other thing marrying a man 10 years older is that I now have better friends through him. I associate with couples who have maturity and wisdom to learn from
them. I mature and grow from just being around them and having adult conversations.
In closing, I am reminded of this quote from the movie "Great Balls of Fire". Jerry Lee, says "You gotta get 'em while they're young and take 'em right from their
mama, and you raise 'em up right by you to keep 'em true."
I actually see some truth in this. Get them young before they get too set in their ways.
"Good post, Wapiti. I've been following you for a while, but this is my first time commenting. I'll keep coming back.
~Timm"
Thanks Timm. Be looking forward to your visits. Just took a look at your blog, too. Keep up the good work and good luck in the studies.
Laura:
"Understandably divorce rates are high for those who marry young, but that is because they are raised in todays postmodern culture where there really are no
values, boundaries or guidelines. A sort of Neverland."
I think Neverland is the key. Both girls and boys have this sort of Peter Pan notion to them, and the schooling system and parents combine to shelter the kids from the real world. Children can mature much faster than they do today, and we are at fault for their developmental delays.
"...if you get married when you are 20 then you can have your children and start your career around 35-40."
Yeah, I think this is an alternative that makes total sense yet seems so counter-cultural. Why waste the best years of your life, when you probably don't know what you want to do anyway. Why sit at a desk in college auditorium with 200 other students, when you could be enjoying yourself, raising a family, and when the time is right, go to school then when you have the experience and wisdom to temper your studies as well as knowing what skills you wish to acquire?
"If she would at least just submit to God's design in her life and be a wife and mother, they would at least be $100,000 richer!"
I suppose the problem is this notion that if one doesn't attend college, or attends a trade school or something, that makes you stupid. Thus women (and men) who haven't attended post-secondary school education are immediately thought of as dim bulbs. Doubly so if a woman is a SAHM; she's assumed to be a couple cans short of a six-pack, barefoot, preggers, chained to the fridge, and has about as many IQ points as teeth.
Seems to me the wiser thing to do is avoid the poor investment that is a college schooling, at least until one has figured out what they want to do.
I've read more books, and have gotten more out of them, in the last 7 years on my own than I did in my four years as an undergrad and 7 years in grad school. The bulk of my schooling happened in the early 90s; the bulk of my education has happened since 9-11.
And I use very little of my formal schooling in my job. A lot of aero, a little bit of mech, a little bit of EE, a little bit of physics. But I don't use the rest of what I learned the rest of my four years there, and would be hard pressed to remember much of it at all.
Thanks for your great post, Laura. Got me to thinking, and to reconsidering what I was passing around as 'wisdom'.
"Sadly, even with guys in their late 20's I found skills and maturity were still greatly lacking. Like you mentioned, I think this is because of the single mom households and that adolescent is considered up till age 30. My 27 y/o female friend has a 27 y/o boyfriend. They both still live at home and he is not working."
Laura, I'm going to try and avoid the urge the point out how this could be code green shaming language.
Getting back to the point, there is a huge group of men out there in their 20s who are independent and are gainfully employed (and in many cases are even better than gainfully employed). I was in this group. (I say was since I'm 31 now.) However, every man in this group is still single for one reason, women completely ignore us. I have never had a girlfriend, or "dated" or hooked up, etc. (in other words a complete and total virgin). I have talked to many, many men who are in the exact same situation. A woman like yourself talking about immature men in their 20s rings very hollow since clearly you and other women did not want mature gainfully employed independent men in their 20s.
It's clear that getting married is a bad idea for a man so asking if getting married younger is a good idea seems utterly pointless. Beyond that, for someone like me, I never had the opportunity to marry young (due to female disinterest) so I'm stuck if its better.
Even in the past I'm not convinced that the marriages were actually working that much. Sure they married younger and remained married, but if divorce was as acceptable back then as it is now they would have divorced at the same rates we do now or higher. The only reason divorce rates were lower was the stigma against it.
"Even in the past I'm not convinced that the marriages were actually working that much. Sure they married younger and remained married, but if divorce was as acceptable back then as it is now they would have divorced at the same rates we do now or higher. The only reason divorce rates were lower was the stigma against it."
Actually, I think that people simply viewed marriage differently. It was not viewed as primarily a means of self-fulfillment, but rather as a commitment around children and home. Marriages all have ups and downs, but in the past people expected this and plowed through the downs because they were committed to each other and to their kids and home.
The current culture has transformed marriage into something that exists primarily to please an individual. That's why divorce rates are so high. Any institution that is based around pleasing two individuals at any point in time will be inherently unstable, because what pleases people changes over time. That vision of marriage is in large part what has killed marriage (and it underlies our attitude towards things like no-fault divorce as well). Marriage is no longer viewed as a commitment you plough through, but rather a happiness accessory that you discard when you tire of it.
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