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Wednesday, December 12, 2012

When A Religion Dies, The Empire Goes With It

Given all the attacks on Christmas symbols in the US in the last few days, symptomatic of a larger uncoordinated conspiracy of like-minded adherents to the religion of Liberalism to scrub Western society of its Christian roots (as well as a striking apathy toward religious cleansing in Islamic civilization), this quote from Pat Buchanan seems particularly apropo:
The emperor Julien the Apostate, Gibbons' hero in The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, believed Rome could not survive Constantine's embrace of a Christianity that foreswore the martial virtues for "Love thy neighbor".  The empire could not survive the loss of the old pagan faith. When a religion dies, the culture and the civilization that grew out of it die with it. And indeed, as Rome was invaded by barbarians, popes would stand at the city gates to plead for mercy from the likes of Attila the Hun. [bolded emphasis mine]
The part that I don't understand is this: for a religion that elevates tolerance so, how can it hate so much the peoples and culture in which it was birthed and gave it succor, so much so that it will kill (or has already killed) its host and therefore will likely murder itself?  Particularly when the chief rival for the spiritual loyalty of the masses is a religion that eschews "love thy neighbor" in favor of evangelization by the sword and death for apostates?

6 comments:

Unknown said...

But then "love thy neighbour" isn't, strictly speaking, Christian. Jesus taught his followers to love each other as He loved them, rather than to merely love each other. The two are slightly different in character. Loving each other is something most people can do if they try but loving each other in the manner of Jesus requires not only a deep and intimate understanding of who He is, why He was sent, where He lives and what He has done for mankind, but also a degree of self-abasement that is utterly incompatible with maintaining an empire.

Every society on earth, especially those founded on Christian principles, is therefore sown with the seeds of its own destruction.

All societies must fall or God is not God.

The Anti-Gnostic said...

All societies must fall or God is not God. .

Let's tighten this up a bit: all empires must fall. The diversity of nations, each with their local Church, are God-ordained (in ecclesial terms, the Eastern Orthodox model).

God Himself separated mankind at Babel for man's own good. We have been trying to get back to Babel ever since.

Christina said...

The diversity of nations, each with their local Church, are God-ordained (in ecclesial terms, the Eastern Orthodox model).

This, I agree more with...and this -

God Himself separated mankind at Babel for man's own good. We have been trying to get back to Babel ever since.

I never thought of it like that!

That gives much food for thought.

Unknown said...

@ The Anti-Gnostic

"Let's tighten this up a bit: all empires must fall."

Agree. I should've written 'empires' rather than "societies". Thanks for pulling me up on this.


"The diversity of nations, each with their local Church, are God-ordained "

I want to push against this idea a little because of that word "diversity". If the 'ordination' you refer to is God's division of Israel into twelve tribes and the apportioning of their inheritence, it would seem to point to God's fairness and justness. It would seem to point more to God's attribution of value to all nations that serve Him rather than evidence that He promotes the diversity of nations.

I understand that God might want to decentralise man's power as in the story of Babel, but the promotion of diversity seems to counter the converging paths towards Him that is in evidence as His people mature in their faith. Indeed, if Jesus' character is being cultivated in different people, diversity would be a reasonable beginning but not an end. The lion laying down with the lamb and all that.

I may be missing something so clarification would be appreciated.

The Anti-Gnostic said...

"Neither Jew Nor Greek": Catholicity And Ethnicity
by +Kallistos (Ware).

Also:
Church and Nationality

ScareCrow said...

This is one thing that bothers me.

So many people deny that our nation was founded on the principles of the Christian religion.

Not only do they deny it, they get bitter about it.